Peter Petrakis (ppetrakis@alphalinux.org) wrote:
> I'm sure folks where deleting messages left and right :-)
Yup.. thank God for ctrl-d in mutt! (-; Next step would be to filter
out the address, but it was taken care of before I got to that...
> What confuses me is the hypocrites I'm seeing on this list. The UP1000
> with the
> developers discount for a complete system cost $3000. Then the UP1100
> came out,
> To build that up to a complete system you're looking at $2800-$3000
> bucks. Now
> the 1500 is comming, It's supposedly going to cost around the same as a
> UP1100
> so a complete system again will cost between $2800-$3000 bucks. My
> question is
> what stopped you 2 years ago from buying a UP1000 that has changed "now"
> that the
> 1500 is rolling out? It has more memory bandwidth? woohoo! Irongate 1
> had as much
> memory bandwidth as Pyxis so it wasnt any dog. A UP1000 was still twice
> as fast
> as an LX in every way.
I've sat back on this thread until now. Watching these "hypocrites" it
seems to me they are, yet again, comparing Alphas to the x86
market. As sad as it may be, Alphas will NEVER be in the same price
range as ANY x86. x86s use cheaply parts; they are low quality and
high quantity. And honostly I hope Alphas are never where x86s
currently are. However I very much would like to see Alpha displace
SUN and the PowerPC for both workstation and servers. Then Intel's
64-bit processor if that ever goes anywhere...
Things will be very different with Intel's 64-bit Pile of Sludge. Why?
Because it's 1.0 baby! Version 1.0 processor, version 1.0 compilers,
version 1.0 users, etc. From what I've seen so far with the
performance of Itanium (or whatever they are calling it this week),
Intel has a TON more work needed. Here is where Alpha wins, (to coin
an overused phrase) it's "been there, done that." We are currently on
the second revision of the third generation (someone correct me here,
only on my second cup of coffee...) The starting pricing for Itanium
seems to be at about $8,000 USD. The starting price for a similarly
configured Alpha is $3,000 +/-
> If you "really" wanted one you would have bought one already! Hell, I
> went
> broke buying my first LX in pieces 3 years ago when I was just starting
> college
> instead of buying a car.
Well here I see two groups. I'm with ya on this, but that falls under
"geek factor" and not "business factor" I did the same thing, I saved
up and built my first Alpha piece by piece (a 21064). Except for those
companies who specifically need an Alpha, how many are going to buy a
$3,000+ Alpha when they can buy a similarly configured Athlon for
$1,000 - $1,500 ? I would like to see that $3,000 Alpha cost $2,000.
> Exactly. Folks who want to run Tru64 are already using Tru64. Most
> users
> couldnt care about Tru64.
I don't care about running Tru64, however I would very much like to be
able to run more binaries in Linux (threads anyone?) I suspect if
people have enough money to buy a Tru64 license (business), they are
probably going to buy something from Compaq. IMO the important OSes
are Linux, FreeBSD, and NetBSD. However perhaps a poll of customers to
know for sure? A free software/open source clone of SRM would probably
help here...
JMO && JMMV,
Ron
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